tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post4952677217939328023..comments2023-09-04T08:51:16.091-06:00Comments on Hermano Juancito: Jon Sobrino on Pope Francis - edited a second time.John (Juancito) Donaghyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12711543214465586727noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-6353418311420044132013-03-23T07:31:47.969-06:002013-03-23T07:31:47.969-06:00There's more by Jon Sobrino on Pope Francis in...There's more by Jon Sobrino on Pope Francis in <i>Carta a Las Iglesias</i> which you can download as a pdf here: <a rel="nofollow">http://www.uca.edu.sv/publica/cartas/media/archivo/7bb1aa_26enuevopapa.pdf</a>John (Juancito) Donaghyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711543214465586727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-32681162781044977712013-03-19T09:04:09.932-06:002013-03-19T09:04:09.932-06:00I find that "well, Bergoglio is no Romero&quo...I find that "well, Bergoglio is no Romero" meme (which I've seen in several media pieces) incomprehensible. There's a good reason Romero wouldn't be Pope... being dead foremost among them. <br /><br />There's nothing wrong with speculating that "if X had done Y, then Z might not have happened", but Z might have happened to X. That is, had Bergoglio stuck up for the two Jesuits in some more forceable manner, it might have been Bergoglio who was tortured and/or assassinated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-82970777631266567042013-03-18T23:38:22.845-06:002013-03-18T23:38:22.845-06:00I'm not sure why you cut it out, John. That co...I'm not sure why you cut it out, John. That context makes it clear what the editor wanted to portray: Sobrino as the hero that Bergoglio was not, which alerts the reader to be skeptical. <br /><br />The very phrase "an anti-imperialist spirituality irritates many, above all the Roman Inquisitors" is a self-parody. Jesus commended the Roman centurion, so he wasn't against imperialists. Jesus approvingly said that the Kingdom of Heaven was advancing forcefully, so he wasn't against divine imperialism. <br /><br />I came away from the interview thinking Sobrino paid Bergoglio high compliments. When he said that Bergoglio was no Romero... well, how many of us are? Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761044906837521471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-19225057390155968372013-03-18T17:56:06.778-06:002013-03-18T17:56:06.778-06:00Bless you for this. What an informative, richly te...Bless you for this. What an informative, richly textured interview. I will add to a post I have up at my blog.Greg Metzgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965309388308485389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-74894911781632445052013-03-18T17:23:57.292-06:002013-03-18T17:23:57.292-06:00This is what I cut from the translation. It reveal...<b>This is what I cut from the translation. It reveals a grudge against Pope Francis that doesn’t stop at twisting the words of Sobrino in a unconscionable distortion and misquotation. </b><br /><br />The title and remarks in <i>italics</i> are those of the interviewer who, I believe, emphasized what is only one aspect of Sobrino’s remarks and misquoted Sobrino’s remarks in the headline which is a grave distortion of what Sobrino actually says.<br /><br /><i>“Bergoglio wasn’t a Romero; he distanced himself from the poor during the Argentinian genocide”<br />Jon Sobrino, Basque but universal, and symbol of Liberation Theology, is accustomed to touch the heart. Distanced from the pomp and paraphernalia of the Vatican, his comments had merited him more than one reprimand. Today he spoke for the first time of the new pope and spoke loudly and clearly. Jon Sobrino is the Don Quijote of the disinherited, a theologian who takes off the wrapping paper off of life to present the very bones. But to speak like Sobrino does, with an anti-imperialist spirituality irritates many, above all the Roman Inquisitors. In a very clear, but politically incorrect, discourse, he assails the spectacle of the election of a new pope. “The sumptuous display was shocking, far from the simplicity of Jesus. And, without mincing words, he stated that “Bergoglio, Superior of the Argentinian Jesuits in the years of the worst repression of a civic-military genocide, had a falling out with the Popular Church which was committed to the poor. He was no Romero,” underlined Sobrino.</i>John (Juancito) Donaghyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711543214465586727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-83170301110596645552013-03-18T15:08:28.057-06:002013-03-18T15:08:28.057-06:00Rebel Girl improved my translation and posted it a...Rebel Girl improved my translation and posted it at http://iglesiadescalza.blogspot.com/2013/03/more-than-just-media-folklore-jon.html<br />John (Juancito) Donaghyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711543214465586727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30408888.post-30616011461507358502013-03-17T21:49:19.355-06:002013-03-17T21:49:19.355-06:00Thanks for the translation! I read it hastily in t...Thanks for the translation! I read it hastily in the Spanish, but missed a number of details. <br /><br />As I commented over at Mercury Rising, I think everyone can understand that a good person may not choose to be a martyr under a dictatorship. Few choose to be heroes under democracy, when the penalties aren't usually torture and death. <br /><br />But what Sobrino leaves out is the period <i>after</i> the dictatorship, when people were trying to find out what happened to their loved ones and to seek justice for the abusers. This is where I find no rebuttal from Bergoglio's defenders. He could have actively assisted, but seems not to have done. That doesn't necessarily mean he was bad, but it's this that colors his detractors' opinions of him. <br /><br />In particular, Verbitzky essentially accuses him of lying in the case of the De La Cuadra infant, who was taken from her mother (who was, I believe, then murdered) and gave the infant to a politically-acceptable family rather than to the grandparents. This is something that happened under Franco as well, part of a pattern of repression. <br /><br />If Bergoglio had been more energetic in seeking justice for those harmed by the Junta, perhaps Verbitzky would accept that Bergoglio did not remember the case when he was questioned in court. Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761044906837521471noreply@blogger.com